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Belt keepers and stuff...
« on: November 23, 2012, 01:33:35 PM »
Here's my problem:

When I started my new job, I was issued a mix of old and new leather, nylon, and kydex kit for my belt.  Some of the stuff is worn, and slides around when it is being transported in my carry bag off work.  It's a PITA because even though it only takes a minute or two to sort out when I strap on at the start of a shift, it still feels "off" until I've made the little adjustments here and there over the first hour or so.  What I'd like to do is have everything stay in it's proper place on the belt so that when I do snap it on to my under belt, everything is in the right place and I am GTG.  I've thought about elastic bands, but don't think those would work.  And I'm reluctant to use tape as the belt itself is a brand new shiny black leather Safariland.

The other guys at work that I've talked to either don't have this as an issue, or just live with it.  What do those of you in a similar situation suggest?

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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 03:49:46 PM »
FWIW, I agree with you. I can't stand stuff moving, or not being where I left it. I deal with it a couple of ways:

1. I have so much crap on my belt that it has nowhere to go. If that doesn't work for you, stack your gear with keeps against stuff that is fixed in place. See #2.

2. Some stuff is locked in place, via attachments like a Tek-Lok or similar. You can use that as an anchor point to push gear up against it.

3. Run more keeps than you need. If I had a piece of gear that i wanted to stay put and had nothing to anchor it against, I'd put a keeper on each side. You can also run keepers as a placeholder/spacer (though if they have brass or nickel bosses it may look silly, use plain black instead.

4. Accept that some stuff is happier an inch or so off from where you want it, and plan on putting it there instead. Gear will migrate to positions where it doesn't move as you go about your day. If you can figure out where that point is, just start out with it there and secure it with keepers.

Some of it will be a matter of figuring out what you would prefer to stay put and what you MUST keep put. Your gun and reloads fits the latter category, naturally. You may end up springing for your own gear if you want it done right. In some cases, I have done that, despite the fact that I am issued gear as well.

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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 04:30:29 PM »
Good ideas...

I am liking those Tek-Loks...  :D
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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 12:41:17 PM »
I have this problem as well. Luckly for me I just push everything back on my belt until it hits the belt loops and there is where I want my stuff. It will more or less stay there once I spend the 2 seconds at the start of the day to push it where I want. Where I really have fun is with my armour when I take the panels out and wash the carrier. It takes a while for the panels to slide back into place where I want them and feel comfortable again.
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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 02:14:48 PM »
Yeah. No kidding. The first couple of days with a newly re-assembled set of body armor is like wearing somebody else's gear.

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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 10:45:42 PM »
Sean, I moved away from Leather gear to nylon gear.  I have lost weight and am waiting to get to my "goal" weight before buying new gear.  With the Nylon gear I started using the "velcro" belts with the scratchy part of the velcro on one side as my "under belt", because you can adjust everything allot more than with the old Sam Brown belts.  It made a huge difference in my comfort by putting less weight and not as much "too tight/too loose" fit.  I still use keepers but I like the velcro backed stuff for keeping everything in place.

I put keepers around my kit that I don't want to move at all.  Then I use keepers in spots I don't put gear, (center of my back, and over my front pockets DO NOT put anything else over your spine; some even say a keeper should not be there).  This has increased my comfort incredibly.  I am 37 now and have worn a duty belt since I was 18.  In all this time I had a constant problem of my belt sliding down due to the dreaded "no butt" syndrome.  I would always get pain in my lower back until I switched to the velcro inner belt and left the outer belt just a hint too loose.  That is the best I advice I can give you.

Here is a link to the type of belt I am talking about for a "generic" fit.

http://www.chiefsupply.com/5979-Uncle-Mikes-1-1-2-Ultra-Inner-Dut-Belt-With-Velcro-size-Adjustment-Nylon-Black.aspx 

When your able to I cannot recommend the  "Wilderness" brand belts highly enough and I will be switching to one.  I have a "black hawk" belt that I really like... But as I said I have lost allot of weight and it is used as "bump in the night" belt with a holster and light permanantly attached that stays by the bed. 

http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=catalog&parent=142&pg=1

The one I had for about two years and used as a daily belt is this one....

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Instructors-Gun-Belt,96,1384.htm

If I had to do over again I would not have bought the one and 3/4" belt with the "attachment point".  I would have bought a one and 1/2" belt with an internal stiffener.  Good for every day wear and carrying concealed.  The Wilderness belt would be my first choice with what I know now. 
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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 01:01:31 AM »
You know, that's true. I never thought about the velcro inner and outer locking stuff in place, but it would. I would still put keepers round stuff that MUST stay put (holster).

I've just never used a velcro inner/outer system, the peril of staying (mostly) with issued gear.

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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 02:52:29 AM »
I have a Wilderness 1.5" Tactical belt I had Velcro sewn on so the velcro hooks on my duty belt would hold.  I have almost all of my gear forward of my hips with a flashlight and baton holder behind my radio on the left hip and a Pelican 7060 behind my holster on the right. I have four keepers two of which I put on either side of the plastic belt buckle. One goes between the mag pouch and my taser holster on the left. One goes between the OC and the handcuffs on the right. It's very secure. I hate when gear moves around or your whole belt moves.

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Re: Belt keepers and stuff...
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 08:55:30 AM »
hen I use keepers in spots I don't put gear, (center of my back, and over my front pockets DO NOT put anything else over your spine; some even say a keeper should not be there).

The only things that I have behind 3 o'clock (holster) and 9 o'clock (radio loop) are a couple of keepers at roughly 5:30 and 6:30.  Even then I have noticed a little pinch if I am sitting too long, like when I'm in the driver's seat for a 10-13 hour highway run, so they are going to be moved further out.  I would not want to take a spill or get pushed backwards with anything digging into my spine.

I'm going to look into the velcro but they're pretty sticky about using issue gear only, at least for some things.
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