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4 Rules Violation
« on: October 29, 2009, 06:16:13 PM »
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Idaho cop shot by colleague during gun cleaning
By John Miller
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BOISE, Idaho - A Gooding County Sheriff's deputy shot accidentally by another deputy at his home is back at work after four weeks recuperation.

Deputy Jeremy Smith, who returned to work Monday, was shot in the hand Aug. 31 by a .22 caliber Ruger Mark IV handgun at the Hagerman home of Sgt. Dave Kiger, the agency's armorer. Kiger was cleaning the weapon when it apparently misfired. The incident in this southern Idaho county of about 14,200 residents didn't become public until this week, in part because no formal law enforcement report was filed and no other Idaho agency was called to assist the investigation.

"The firearm was excessively dirty, causing the extractor, the part that grabs the chambered round and removes it from the gun, to malfunction and not remove the round," Gough said Tuesday. "What we did find was some procedural errors on the part of both deputies by not visually checking the chamber to make sure that the gun was unloaded."

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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 06:19:29 PM »
Glock?  Went to strip it? 

Of course this could be anything... and yes... 4 rules violation, clearly. 

When you check a gun to verify it is unloaded:
Look into the chamber and the magazine.  Feel the chamber and the magazine. 
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 06:20:44 PM »
I could see how that could happen, but that's no excuse.  I always keep my gun loaded.  If I'm cleaning it, I know that if I pull the slide, a bullet should fall out.  This also makes me wonder how he was cleaning it.  My pistol can stay cocked when I'm taking it apart.  I know that some pistols require the hammer to be down.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 06:21:18 PM »
Glock?  Went to strip it? 

Of course this could be anything... and yes... 4 rules violation, clearly. 

When you check a gun to verify it is unloaded:
Look into the chamber and the magazine.  Feel the chamber and the magazine. 


Says' it's a Ruger Mark IV.  Should be pretty straight forward to unload it.
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 06:22:41 PM »
Says' it's a Ruger Mark IV.  Should be pretty straight forward to unload it.

How do you unload a gun that doesn't exist?
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 06:24:03 PM »
How do you unload a gun that doesn't exist?

Doesn't exist?  What do you mean?  Google brings up lots of pretty pictures.  What am I missing?
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 06:25:25 PM »
Doesn't exist?  What do you mean?  Google brings up lots of pretty pictures.  What am I missing?

Lots of pictures of Mk II and Mk III pistols. Ruger hasn't introduced a mark four yet.
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 06:29:41 PM »
Went to Ruger's site.  I see what you mean.
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 12:50:43 AM »
The Ruger Mark IV is a new training pistol named after the four rules it is designed to teach you about - often the hard way!

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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 01:07:01 AM »
Eireman beat me by a post.

That's always my thoughts on it.  The more time you spend with anything, the more likely you are to get hurt by with it, be it guns tools, cars, whatever.  Law of averages.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 06:37:57 AM »
There is a saying that goes something like, there are two kinds of people who ride motorcycles, those who have fallen off them and those who haven't fallen off yet.

I think the same goes for gun handling.  If you shoot long enough, unintentional discharges are bound to happen.  I have yet to have an incident where anyone has been hurt, but I have had a time or two when I pulled a trigger with the gun pointed in a safe direction expecting to hear a click and got a bang instead.   All kinds of different factors can come into play, like fatigue, unfamiliarity with a specific weapon etc...

Don't get me wrong, these guys should have known better.  They did it wrong, but I'm not so quick to judge.  Why call someone stupid for making a mistake, even if it is an avoidable one?
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 10:58:55 AM »
I've had my own negligent discharge (nothing was hurt but a bit of desert floor) and I understand what you're saying Tanner.

The problem is that these guys didn't make one mistake, they made three. They failed to clear the weapon properly, they failed to keep it pointed in a safe direction, and they pulled the trigger while doing so.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 11:42:38 AM »
I guess these guys were the only ones professional enough...

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 12:47:37 PM »

Don't get me wrong, these guys should have known better.  They did it wrong...

I don't want to come across as defending them, cause I'm not.  I'm certainly not defending them because they are cops.  I'm just trying to say that they are human, just like the rest of us. 
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Re: 4 Rules Violation
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 02:23:52 AM »
I know of a certain room in a certain police station which has three holes in it from three separate incidents like the one above.  Two of them from the same person.  From the same revolver no less.

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