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Crusader....1911's?
« on: February 15, 2010, 11:05:08 PM »
Everyone else has one.

I have my build specs ready whenever you care to consult me on what the perfect 1911 is. ;D
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 11:12:54 PM »
.45ACP and 10MM options, of course.   But not just yet... Coming... but not just yet.
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 11:42:16 PM »
No .45 Win Mag like the LAR Grizzly?  :neener
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 11:49:43 PM »
No .45 Win Mag like the LAR Grizzly?  :neener
You don't need that if you got a 10mm.
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 11:41:10 AM »
Great. Yet another gun that I'm absolutely going to have to buy. You guys really are trying to bankrupt me before I turn 30, aren't you?

Okay, serious now, will there be options for .38 Super and/or 9x23mm Winchester?
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 11:53:01 AM »
Any chance of something that fits this bill?

http://wethearmed.com/index.php/topic,5232.msg80132.html#msg80132

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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 09:33:58 PM »
Any chance of something that fits this bill?

http://wethearmed.com/index.php/topic,5232.msg80132.html#msg80132


Maybe. If we did a double stack I would have to go with the Caspian. Their double stack is only 12 or 13 rounds so you look a little mag capacity but their frames are top notch. After may experience with Para I wouldn't waste my time with them.


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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 07:13:42 PM »
I may be the the extreme minority on this but I think I'd rather see Crusader do a handgun that stands out.  Find a handgun maker overseas who'll sell you the US import rights for their guns, like CD used to import Sigs and Jericho's etc. 

There's already enough 1911's on the market, rock something...  FRESH!!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 07:25:52 PM »
As much as I like a 1911, I really have to agree with Harm on this.  Rock something fresh.  Since the Glock jones is going around, license that baby and make it yours.... :hide
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 07:32:26 PM »
I don't know about a Glock  :vomit but I was thinking a the Sphinx that Sabre was going to bring out... 
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 07:38:29 PM »
That would be nice.  Kind of a fancy schmancy CZ that doesn't have the original sticker shock.  Harm may be on to something here fellas.....even if he did blaspheme against Gaston.....
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 07:39:34 PM »
Gaston = Satan

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 07:41:17 PM »
LMAO, plastic Satan, sounds like a new band.....
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 08:26:00 PM »
LMAO, plastic Satan, sounds like a new band.....

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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 08:53:57 PM »
That would be nice.  Kind of a fancy schmancy CZ that doesn't have the original sticker shock.  Harm may be on to something here fellas.....even if he did blaspheme against Gaston.....

As a lover of all platforms, I hate to be the 1911 fanboy here but there's a reason everyone does 1911's - besides the fact that they're guaranteed money in the bank. And unless I'm mistaken, Crusader does not have a whole lot of name recognition at this point. Importing or modifying any handgun is going to be a tough sell unless it is truly a badass weapon that takes the market by storm, especially if you're looking more than a few proprietary parts. Look at Armalite and the AR-24.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2010, 08:56:45 PM »
The 1911 has it's own very good merits.  One of them being ease of getting into the 1911 business.  Downside is 1911 burnout that a lot of shooters get.  But remember, the 1911 gained it's popularity for good reasons.  They earned it the hard way.  Caspian makes the parts we could get and would allow us to built good solid custom 1911's that are actually affordable and something we would want to put our name on.  Putting our name on something strange and CZ cloned is not our first choice.  I'm not putting my name on anything coming out of Turkey.  Not even going to go there.  
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2010, 09:14:29 PM »
Double stack, high cap in 9x23, 10mm and 45 plz
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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2010, 09:34:15 PM »
Single stack Commander in 9x23 for me please.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 09:34:55 PM »
Double stack, high cap in 9x23, 10mm and 45 plz

A Crusader Pistol is something I've done a lot of thinking about. Harm is right about one thing, it has to be something that is uniquely Crusader. Unique and something we would be willing to issue to our Crusader Defense agents and to ourselves. We trust our lives to it so you should feel free to do so as well. That's simply the way I think about it. What pistol that is I'm not quite sure. I am thinking pretty seriously on the Caspian double stack. STI does a decent job of it and Para sucks at it. What about one that is true quality and worth more than the price you pay for it. That's what I try to do with everything we do. The one thing I would also do is an one at a time custom. Not that it would be the Burger King gun (have it your way) but you order a "Dagger" (for instance not a model name) you will get a hand tuned "Dagger". They would take time and be a labor of love. That's also what scares the hell out of me. I wouldn't be able to turn them out at a production rate. It would be very easy to get several years back logged and have poor delivery times. I'll have to see what I can do about that.

I know we've had the arguement over the 9x23 so I won't go there. Since people will find it hard to buy ammo off the shelf, if at all, it's simply out. 10mm and .45 are a given. In fact 10mm would be our signature pistol caliber.

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Re: Crusader....1911's?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 09:42:58 PM »
Okay, that's cool. Don't know much about the caliber anyway, just thought it sounded pretty neat.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 09:51:45 PM »
Okay, that's cool. Don't know much about the caliber anyway, just thought it sounded pretty neat.

It's just a longer 9mm (9x19 vs. 9x23) the ballistics are very good but if you don't reload for it, it's not worth it, in my opinion. 10mm and .45 people have a good chance of getting it off the shelf. People being able to shoot our stuff easily is important to me. If it's hard to take out and shoot people wont buy the gun...unless it's extra freak'n cool.

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2010, 09:52:18 PM »
I understand Gundoc about the caliber 9x23. I handload so it is great for me. It is not so great if looking at factory stuff.

10mm as the flagship caliber would be amazing.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2010, 10:07:08 PM »
I understand Gundoc about the caliber 9x23. I handload so it is great for me. It is not so great if looking at factory stuff.

10mm as the flagship caliber would be amazing.

Thanks Plebian.

To add to what George was saying, this is something we have to do right and do so the first time. Everything has to be right so we get the same reaction we're getting from the rifles. 

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 11:08:32 PM »
And why 10mm?
Ammo availability is less than 9mm or .45, that's true.  But to reload for, it's easy enough.  To order ammo online, its easy enough.  And this last year, more stores have it stocked.  In Utah, Cabellas and Get Some both have a rather decent selection compared to last year. 
But the increase in power and penetration is incredible for a slight increase in felt recoil over the .45.  I mean, in some guns... I don't feel a difference, I really don't.  So with that increase in power... with an increase in magazine capacity... that's a win. 
Yes, it's non-standard.  But it should be the new standard.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2010, 12:29:53 AM »
I think in a double stack full-size 1911 10mm would feel no different than 45. 10mm also seems to fit with Crusader's image IMO.
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