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An Ogrish Glock
« on: February 28, 2012, 09:47:26 PM »
On Facebook, George and I were discussing his uninspired choice of handgun.  After many years of dancing around from gun to gun, with such wide-ranging types as a S&W 5-shot .44 Special revolver, the Beretta 92, the CZ P-01, the 1911, and countless others, the Mad Ogre finally settled on, and more or less stuck with, a pistol:  the Glock 23.

YAWN.

Seriously?  What are you, a Fish & Game cop?  A Glock .40 is a bland, mass-issue cop gun. It's for minions and redshirts, not main characters.  Unless you're a rapper.  You're not a rapper, George.

(Ask Joe about me and the Twin Glock Forties.  They are good for keeping people out yo' biz-NASS.)



 :rotfl

However...once you get past the blocky ergonomics and weird grip angle, the Glock is a very reliable and customizable design.  .40 cal is, and shall always be uninteresting, but it's pretty ubiquitous and the ammo isn't terribly expensive.

After mulling it over for a while, here's  what I came up with, as posted on George's Facebook page:

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Since we were talking about it, I came up with the custom guns that would best suit you. Best of all they'd be Crusader guns, so you can carry your own brand.

Start with two Glocks, models 20 and 29, both in the "short frame" variety. 10mm Auto.

Both get gunsmith-fitted, fully supported KKM barrels so you can safely shoot lead as well as jacketed bullets. The 20 has an extended & threaded barrel, allowing for increased muzzle velocity for hunting purposes and attachment of muzzle devices. This one is primarily an open carry or truck gun for you. The 29 is the concealed carry gun.

Both guns get the slide plate with the Crusader logo and a full Slipstream treatment. Both get the triggers set to however you prefer them. Both get steel night sights, improved aftermarket slide releases, and plugs for the blackstrap hole behind the magazine well. Both guns also get the tungsten guide rod.

Finally, both guns get Ogre Green Cerakote on the frames.

These guns are unmistakably Mad Ogre. Brutish, powerful, and green. They're Glocks, which you love, but they're Crusader custom Glocks, which you will love more.

The Ogre hunts. This would give you guns suitable for taking game. The combo would suit you perfectly.

You don't give up the Glock 23. .40 ammo is cheap and 10mm ammo isn't. But you'd have the 10mm guns for when it's for reals, for self defense or hunting or both.

So there you have it, gang.  The perfect pair of perfectly Ogrish, Crusader Custom Glocks.  George gets everything he likes in a handgun, but gets some of his charisma points back too.  (Carrying a stock Glock is automatically a -5 CHA.)

So let's all start peer pressuring him until he gets these twin Ogre Glock 10s.  Because I want to shoot them.  :cool
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    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 10:11:35 PM »
    NC - Love the idea of the ogre twins.  I think this is a great idea and George should not rest until he has corrected this misplaced trust issue in his life. 

    That said I still await you fulfilling your challenge.   :neener
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    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 10:23:29 PM »
    I can find the right gun for anybody.  But odds are, in your case, you're already using it.  George is a special case.  He has a distinct fear of commitment to handguns.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 10:26:37 PM »
    I can find the right gun for anybody.

    Now that sounds like an interesting challenge.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 10:41:12 PM »
    That is the challenge I was referencing  >:D
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    Re: An Ogrish Glock
    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 11:13:15 PM »
    Again, guys...odds are you're already using the best gun for you.  Most experienced shooters settle on what they really like after the usual long, painful, and often expensive learning process.  I started with a CZ-97B and ended up with a S&W 629.

    In most cases, the people I'm helping to pick the right gun are novice shooters who aren't even sure what they need.  Or they're wishy-washy and aren't sure what they want.  I can help with that.

    George is a special case.  He's had many crazy and varied "MY GUN" guns over the years.  He has commitment issues when it comes to handguns.  He's straight up unfaithful.

    Now, after years of whoring around with whatever sexy new gun happened to run across his desk, he's finally settling on the Glock .40.  And that's unfortunate, because he can do better.  If George were an irredeemable bore and a completely uninteresting person, the Glock would be fine.  But he's not.  He requires more power and more style.  Something with versatility and power, that can humanely take a game animal if need be.  But something that sticks with what he likes, which is the Glock.

    Hence, Crusader Custom Glock 10mms.  It's perfect for him.
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    Re: An Ogrish Glock
    « Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 12:28:00 AM »
    Again, guys...odds are you're already using the best gun for you.  Most experienced shooters settle on what they really like after the usual long, painful, and often expensive learning process. 
    I know that I am.  I found mine on the fourth try, and I'm sticking with it.

    (Carrying a stock Glock is automatically a -5 CHA.)
    Sorry, but George's Glock is anything but 'stock.' ;)


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    « Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 12:29:07 AM »
    There needs to be a way to get this idea out of my brain now...   
    I've not found it yet though.
    This is a very good Build.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 12:29:17 AM »
    Sorry, but George's Glock is anything but 'stock.' ;)


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    « Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 12:33:35 AM »
     :thumbup1
    Chewed it myself.  Thank you very much.  Tasty Tasty Tasty.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 12:48:19 AM »
    There IS a way to get this idea out of your brain: listen to Nightcrawler, get the gun, and satisfy the craving.  Start with the G29 carry gun.  I prefer full sized guns for almost every purpose, but you like smaller ones for carry, so get what you know.  The G29 SF is roughly equivalent in size to the G23.  The weight and bulk should be similar enough that you don't notice the difference.  What you get is a couple hundred more foot pounds of energy, dramatically increased penetration, and longer range.

    As I said, you don't give up the .40.  Hang onto it.  Bulk practice, backup gun, teaching shooting classes.  .40 ammo is way cheaper than 10mm.  In any case, after you WECSOG-ed the s___ out of the grip like that, you're probably not going to be able to sell it anyway.  So hang onto it.

    I believe, however, that after you got it, shot it, and loved it, the G29 Ogre Edition would be your new everyday carry, and you'd love it forever.  Get the G20 later.  It'd make a good truck gun, open carry gun, hunting companion.

    Hell, here's an idea for the G20: tritium or fiber optic front and adjustable rear sight.  A 10mm with a 6" barrel has some range.  Zero it for 25 yards or so.  Get some Double Tap and/or Buffalo Bore loads for serious business and use the .40 for plinking.  It'll give you a gun with all of the capabilities of Larry Correia's STI Super Gun at about half the cost.

    Best of all?  You're packing your own brand.  Nothing says "I believe in Crusader" like carrying a Crusader.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 01:17:33 AM »
    I've been mulling over the idea of a 10mm since I started loading .40, and I've been thinking about a G20 since I got my G17 and realized I can, in fact, shoot Glocks. I haven't committed, and this hasn't gotten me any closer to the 10mm leap. But if I do, I think it'll get the Crusader Ogre treatment.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 29, 2012, 01:24:00 AM »
    This does cure me of wanting an S&W M&P.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 29, 2012, 08:39:50 AM »
    Anyone thought about customizing the new Remington 1911 series guns? Or maybe that new Ruger 1911 Hicock45 tested?
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    « Reply #14 on: February 29, 2012, 09:27:57 AM »
    Custom Crusader 10mm Glocks...possible future for an MHI (or rather MCB) custom Crusader 10mm Glock?
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    « Reply #15 on: February 29, 2012, 10:22:31 AM »
    not that anyone will listen...but...just looked this up on ballistics by the inch

    G29/3.78" barrel (rounded up to 4" on their chart)/165gr Cor Bon JHP/1209fps
    G35/5.32" barrel (rounded down to 5" on their chart)/165gr Cor Bon JHP/1225fps

    Just saying...you could have your cake and not have to buy a different ammo type as well.....sure you lose the compact size...but just looking at it a different way...
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    « Reply #16 on: February 29, 2012, 10:30:29 AM »
    Cor-Bon's 10mm ammo is quite watered down, though.  Double Tap's 165 grain 10mm load will, according to them, do about a hundred feet per second faster from the G29 than .40 does from the G35.

    Buffalo Bore makes some hot .40 loads. I would not feel comfortable shooting them in a Glock without a fully supported, aftermarket barrel.  .40 Glocks still kaboom on occasion, from stuff like that.

    And honestly, George is too short to easily conceal a longslide Glock.
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    Re: An Ogrish Glock
    « Reply #17 on: February 29, 2012, 10:49:53 AM »
    Ogre's Glock 23 with 165-grain Cor-Bon: 1118 fps / 458 foot pounds. 
    Total payload 13+1 = 6410 foot pounds.  Three and a quarter tons of oomph.
    Total payload G22 mag w/ +2 Floorplate: 8244 foot pounds - Four point one tons of punch.

    Glock 29 with 165-grain Cor-Bon: 1209 fps / 535 foot pounds.
    Total payload 10+1 = 5885 foot pounds.  Two point nine tons of punch.
    Total payload G20 mag w/ +2 Floorplate: 9630 foot pounds.  Four and three quarters tons of energy.

    In the concealment payload power race, the G23 is only 85% as powerful as the G29 shot per shot.  However, it's got more TOTAL energy with a flat magazine. 

    I'm unsure of whether the G20 mags run as well in G29's, but in the beginning, they sounded problematic from one source who tried them.  BUT - both with full length magazines returns the G29 to being in the lead.

    BTW - this is the means by which I convinced myself that the .40's still a worthwhile cartridge.  (Especially with the 165 grain loadings.)
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    « Reply #18 on: February 29, 2012, 10:51:27 AM »
    That said... I want a 10mm Glock.
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    « Reply #19 on: February 29, 2012, 11:51:18 AM »
    You still can't hunt with .40.  The 10mm is the superior cartridge for the outdoorsy type.

    And again, Cor-Bon's 10mm loads are somewhat watered down.  Not as bad as their .357 loads, but it's not a good representative of what the cartridge can do.

    Total energy only matters if you expend the entire magazine in a defensive scenario, but for some reason assume you won't have the ability to reload.  This is a very narrow scenario that is so unlikely as to be not worth worrying about.  If he wanted to, he could carry a 15-shot G20 magazine as his spare and have a LOT of rounds on tap.
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    « Reply #20 on: February 29, 2012, 11:57:53 AM »
    You still can't hunt with .40.  The 10mm is the superior cartridge for the outdoorsy type.

    I really never think about handgun hunting.  And yes, while the Ogre is an outdoor man, I believe that you need to show proper respect to the animals trying to kill you.  .45-70 lever action.   :thumbup1

    Know what I want someone to do?  Make an S&W X-frame in .45-70.  'cuz I's nuts.

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    And again, Cor-Bon's 10mm loads are somewhat watered down.  Not as bad as their .357 loads, but it's not representative of what the cartridge can do.

    Yeah.  I was just going by same weight/same manufacturer.  I've also seen some .40's pumping out 510-foot pounds. 

    Know what the Ogre SHOULD do is go .460 Rowland Glock 21 and Glock 30.  Ogre's not about small things, and a 10mm or .40 only barely qualifies as having a cartridge which starts with 4.  ;)
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    « Reply #21 on: February 29, 2012, 12:01:19 PM »
    You can absolutely hunt with a .40.

    It's probably not the best choice for deer, but it will sure do for anything smaller. It's right in the sweet spot for javelina.
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    « Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 12:33:25 PM »
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    Yeah.  I was just going by same weight/same manufacturer.  I've also seen some .40's pumping out 510-foot pounds.

    same here
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    « Reply #23 on: February 29, 2012, 02:25:01 PM »
    Man, I'm trying to talk George into buying an awesome gun that a bunch of us will get to shoot, and you guys are all "but the FORTY, blah blah blah!"

    IX-NAY, will you?  I'm working here.

    The problem with .460 Rowland is that it's a complete wildcat.  10mm ammo may be expensive, but at least it's there.

    No, the 10mm is the way to go.  As I said, George should keep his .40.  It's much cheaper to shoot and would be better suited for high volume practice, classes, etc.  But the 20 and 29 would be the Ogre's matched pair, very much akin to my pair of 629s:



    I think he should get his Glock 23 Cerakoted (the frame anyway) in Ogre Green, too, to match the two 10mms.

    While I'm picking guns for George, here's one I think he'd have a lot of fun with.  Not especially practical, and not something I'd bug him to buy, but if he ever managed to snag one I think he'd giggle every time he fired it.

    I'm talking about the S&W 647 Varminter revolver.



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    « Reply #24 on: February 29, 2012, 02:45:43 PM »
    you know, I have always wondered while putting a verticle grip on a pistol makes it an AOW but a bipod is fine and dandy...
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