In case anyone is curious, the Armscor subsonics are pretty good. They occasionally make a sonic crack out of a 16.5 inch bbl, but overall are very quiet. The velocities are not quite as constant as CCI, but they are inexpensive, acceptably accurate (minute of pinecone at 65 yds), and most importantly for a sealed suppressor, they are plated. They work well out of my Spectre too. Overall I prefer CCI standard velocity or subsonics, but the Armscor works very well and for $2 a box they are very affordable.