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Buying Online
« on: May 29, 2009, 09:34:57 PM »
I'm going to sticky this one along with the other "buying" threads.

This one is about buying guns online, only I'm not providing the info, I'm asking for it. I've never bought online and I want to know what to look for, what to watch out for, the whole process. I've also never had to have a gun shipped, so I need that one broken down, too. Do I have to get info from the local FFL and send it to the seller, or do they deal directly with each other?

I'm the type that needs everything explained to me to the finest detail the first time, then I'm a master. So school me.
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    Re: Buying Online
    « Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 11:49:15 PM »
    Depends on the seller and FFL involved.   Usually what I do is call or email my dealer and tell him that I'm buying a gun.  He will then fax or mail a copy of his license to the seller.   Once the seller has his FFL on file,  I call them up and order the gun and pay by credit card.   If I'm buying from an individual (from gunbroker,  forum classifieds, etc.),  I'll send a money order to them instead of using the credit card.  They will then mail the gun to my dealer.  Once it comes in, he gives me a call and I go over to his place to pick it up.   I fill out the paperwork and he calls in the NICS check.  I'll give him $20 for handling the transfer, then I can take the gun home. 

    Shipping a gun is a little more confusing.  You can ship it directly to someone that is a resident of your state.  However, most transactions are going to be out of state.  In that case, you need to mail the gun to an FFL holder.   This would be if you were selling the gun, or if you were sending it off to a gunsmith for work.   Occasionally you will get someone on the other end of the transaction that will not take shipments unless they go through a dealer.  There is no legal requirement for this, but arguing with these people is pointless.   In that case, you will have to find a dealer to ship it for you.  I've only had to do this once, and fortunately my guy was cool and did it for me no charge.   

    When you are looking to buy online, its a good idea to read up on the reputation the seller has.   You can find this information pretty easily in the various gun forums.  If someone gets a bad rep, it gets around pretty quickly.  If you stick to the major distributors like AIM, CDNN, Atlantic, etc. you will probably be fine.    Gunbroker or classified ads can be a little more risky since you are often dealing with individuals.   Pay attention to their feedback.   If you are buying off of a forum, longtime posters are usually more reliable than some guy that shows up out of nowhere.   
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    Re: Buying Online
    « Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 02:20:51 AM »
    Step by step.

    Buying...

    1.  Find a gun to buy (Gunbroker, Auction Arms, Guns America, WTA, Highroad, ect.)

    2.  Contact seller and work out payment terms.  Pretty self-explanatory.  Credit card, money order, personal check, wad of cash in a ziploc, a vid of you doing the chicken dance, whatever the seller considers payment in full.  Most auctions, if that's where you're buying from, have the terms spelled out.  It's usually a money order in advance, so some degree of faith in the process is required.  There are escrow services if you're worried.  Google for 'em.

    3.  Get the sellers contact info for use in step 4.  This includes name, mailing address and fax number.

    4.  Contact your local FFL of choice.  Pay them whatever fee they charge for transfers (usually $15 to $25) and give them the sellers info so they can fax a copy of their FFL to the seller.  (Side note:  Occasionally the seller will want, sometimes demand, that payment and the FFL be sent together.  Depending on your FFL of choice, this can be a problem because they often don't want to directly give you a copy of their FFL, nor do they want to take responsibility for your money order.  This makes it pretty hard to send them together, eh?  My SOP is usually to just shrug it off, explain the situation to the seller, and do it my way no matter what he wants.  If he wants to get paid, he'll not put up too much of a fuss.  I've never had an issue.)

    5.  Wait.  Once the seller receives both your payment and the FFL copy sent by your local FFL of choice, he sends the firearm to your FFL.  Once they receive it they should call you and let you know it's in.

    6.  When they call, head down to fill out the 4473 and pick up your gun!



    Selling...

    1.  Find a buyer.

    2.  Work out payment terms that are acceptable to you.

    3.  Give the buyer your contact info for him to send payment, and a fax number so that you may receive his FFL.

    4.  When you receive the FFL from the buyer, use FFLeZCheck to verify the FFL is valid.  https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

    5.  After positive FFL verification and receipt of acceptable payment, send the firearm via a common carrier that is NOT the US Postal Service (FedEx or UPS... trust me) in accordance with their terms of service (usually overnight service is required for firearm shipments).  ONLY SEND THE FIREARM TO THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE FFL OR A VERIFIED ADDRESS OF THE FFL!  Do NOT send the firearm to any other addresses provided by the seller.

    6.  (Optional)  Give a tracking number to the buyer for his reference, and check up with him later for verification he received the firearm.

    All done!


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    Re: Buying Online
    « Reply #3 on: May 30, 2009, 09:02:30 PM »
    Thanks guys. Now I understand, so I'll be a pro!
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    Re: Buying Online
    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2009, 08:25:52 AM »
    You can simplify buying C&R guns a bit if you get the ATFE C&R license FFL03 (discussed separately here).  $30 and good for 3 years.  If you're still hankering for some guns (Mosins, SKSs, Mausers,and Schmidt-Rubin rifles, or Makarov pistols etc) it's a pretty good deal, and the dealers can then ship it straight to your door and for the dealer price to boot.  You do need to maintain a "bound book" (which can be in a 3 ring binder, again discussed separately) but the hassle factor is much much less than transferring a gun through an FFL01.  I'm all paranoid about buying a gun from an individual over the net in case it turns out to not be as good as the seller claims, but buying from dealers alleviates that concern quite a bit for me.

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    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 08:28:30 PM »
    I've bought a bunch of things on line that is firearms connected; however, when it comes to Weapons, I want to look, feel, and inspect.   Pictures I have seen and condition that they show are not sometimes not the grading I expect.   What one deems orginal finish in excellent condition and is drilled for sights (not original drilled and tapped)  with close ups with rust, along with big old dents in the stock :facepalm I don't consider excellent.   New in the box maybe completely different.   The bottom line is that if it isn't what you expect , returns can be frustrating :devillol

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    « Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 11:14:30 PM »
    The first response was awesome.  "Good School"...  Consider this

    I bought a long gun from a sporting goods store in Minnesota.  The "sale" was made ...because the price, shipping, and FFL fee was $100 less than what I could have purchased it directly.  I knew what I wanted. I held it, touched it, and loved it locally.... and bought the distant cousin  :panic  :panic  :panic

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    « Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 11:29:52 AM »
    You can simplify buying C&R guns a bit if you get the ATFE C&R license FFL03 (discussed separately here).  $30 and good for 3 years.  If you're still hankering for some guns (Mosins, SKSs, Mausers,and Schmidt-Rubin rifles, or Makarov pistols etc) it's a pretty good deal, and the dealers can then ship it straight to your door and for the dealer price to boot.  You do need to maintain a "bound book" (which can be in a 3 ring binder, again discussed separately) but the hassle factor is much much less than transferring a gun through an FFL01.  I'm all paranoid about buying a gun from an individual over the net in case it turns out to not be as good as the seller claims, but buying from dealers alleviates that concern quite a bit for me.

    +1 on the C&R license.  I've bought weapons from AIM, SOG, and Omega online - no transfer fees, no tax, and straight to the door.  Sog offers dealer pricing to C&R holders, and you can buy new, but have to have an 01FFL & transfer to do those.  Midway and several others offer dealer pricing to C&R holders, heck even a local pawn shop recognized my C&R when I found my last Mosin there.  No transfer, no waiting.  Good stuff. :coffee
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    « Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 05:15:12 PM »
    I go about it a little different. I have bought probably 30 guns on line in the past year and I am just in the process of doing a trade with a member here.

    I have three diofferent local gunshops that I use. I have copies of their FFLs ina pdf format. When I buy a gun (or trade) I tell whoever I am dealing with that I will email a copy of the FFL where the gun is going to them. They then need to send me a copy of the FFL where they want my gun to go (in the case of a trade or if I am buying). Once that is accomplished, I go to the Post Office (pay attention here I am going to cause a fire storm) and get the right size "if it fits, it ships" box to handle the firearm. I usally only do this with pistols which is what I usually am buying, selling, trading.

    Now, before every body startys screaming, "you can't do that" just like I did when I learned about it, yes you can. The FFL sending the firearm just needs to use postal form 1508:

    http://www.usps.com/forms/_pdf/ps1508.pdf] [url]http://www.usps.com/forms/_pdf/ps1508.pdf[/url]
    put in a copy of his FFL and a copy of the FFL where the gun is going and send it off.

    Why would would I ever want to do that?

    For one thing, it is much cheaper. I can usually mail a cased pistol for $11.00 plus $10 insurance ($500). The other reason is that if use "if it fits, it ships" , it delivers in two days.

    Two days

    There is no way that UPS or FedEx can do that. If use UPS overnight, it will cost you about $75.00

    Buying in state is different for every state. Illinois, New Jersey and California are about the most restrictive. I do not make deals goiug to California.

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