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Something new, and exciting with holsters
« on: October 16, 2016, 12:17:45 AM »
So guys I've been looking into laser engraving for a couple years, I was going to try and do some testing with a buddy I know with a machine but our schedules are busy and he's 40 miles away. So after several years of thinking about this I took the leap and bought a machine and started using it for some things.

Here is an example of a rig done with engraving in a tribal pattern:


It's for sale here for guys interested:)
http://adamsholsters.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=49&product_id=196

Note this is new, IE I've had the machine for less than a week and I'm still working through my process along with designs etc. My plan for this is just to open up another option for designs on holsters, I'm sure that this rig won't be to everyone's tastes. But I'm planning on bringing out some original artwork either of my own design or someone elses. I'm planning to be able to do badges for LEO's and badge numbers, names etc etc. The options are nearly unlimited as far as what I can do with the machine and for me the best thing is it's repeatable. In other words it's consistent rig to rig and test to finished holster which is really difficult when dealing with leather.

So the sky is the limit and I'm really looking to roll this out as an option and figure out how to make the addition to the site etc over the next while. But this is more to tell guys I've got the option available so if there is something you've always wanted to have on a holster, well shoot me an email because it's very likely I can make that happen for ya.

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 01:11:15 AM »
    Very cool!

    If we had a graphic in mind, in what file format would we need to get it to you?

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    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 01:18:29 AM »
    So format wise I should be able to take about any image file though line drawn stuff will often be easiest because it's somewhat black and white. That said there is allot of tuning that can be done to draw out certain details too to make it better to engrave. If it's not a vector image larger is better much like printing for details etc. But I can really take anything from a simple jpg to something fancy;)

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #3 on: October 16, 2016, 02:17:37 AM »
    Nice.   :cool   Even if the only thing you do is put your own logo on the back with it. 
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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #4 on: October 16, 2016, 02:35:11 AM »
    Have you looked at cutting any of your patterns with it too?

    The only other thing would be to have a good graphic designer.  A pattern like this one looks a lot better if it conforms to to form of the item, this looks kind of like you took a flat pattern and just put it on.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 09:18:37 AM »
    I've done some cutting tests but the edges of the cut aren't as clean as I'd like yet and the bed is really too small for allot of what I do.

    On this pattern I deliberately overran it across the holster I wanted to have sort of a tattoo look. And when your looking at say an arm tattoo some of it is out of view on the rear etc. So I wanted sort of that look. Since it was pretty abstract shape wise I didn't index it to the shape of the gun.

    Mostly though I needed something I could use to show off what this can do without and legal issues. There are quite a few guys putting company logos on holsters which is fine with permission pending you can get it. But at least at this point I'm focusing on what I can do with the machine outside of what most other guys are using them for.

    Either way it's just another option for more customized rigs.

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #6 on: October 30, 2016, 11:29:00 AM »
    That has a lot of potential, I can see a lot of people wanting custom logos or brand name to announce what their carrying.  Knowing this board I think you should get with Larry Correia to do a custom line of MHI and his different challenge coin logos would probably translate and sell, really well.  That is the first thing I thought of was an MHI smiley face logo would translate well. 

    Are you going to continue with your logo being stamped, or going to the laser cut ?
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    « Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 02:30:22 PM »
    That is my view as well. I think this opens up a huge amount of options for guys. Even just as simple as the request I get allot of "can you put my name on the back" which normally I don't like to do  because I just don't care for stamped letters. So now yep I can do that and I can engrave it in any font and style etc. Badge numbers are another common request, that's super easy now and it can look really good and repeatable results.

    I would like to talk with Larry about some MHI related stuff since I'm of course a fan and that would be cool to be able to do. Right now I had been holding off since I got the machine right before my trip I took mentioned in the other thread. So I was under a huge time crunch trying to get everything done before leaving and now that I'm back I'm catching back up;) So it might have to wait until I've got a bit more time to really look into it deeper and get ahold of Larry as well.

    Right now I can do either on my logo, that rig I posted above has my logo laser engraved on the rear of the rig. I still really like the look of a stamped logo since it's got a nice bit of depth and looks traditional. So likely depends on the holster and design. I guess at the end of the day this is another tool in my box, it's not going to solve all problems but it can solve some and open some new options for me and you guys buying rigs as well;) I will say I've got allot of progress made since my posts though just not allot to show yet. But I've added an air assist system to allow me to cut deeper and thicker materials and done a whole lot of test cuts. The nice thing is I can layout something hit go, then go to work and check on it later. I have managed to get it to cut full thickness 8-9oz leather as well and I've translated a few smaller patterns to vector images for cutting.

    As an example right now I've been fighting with a small ammo pouch pattern. Just wasn't working to my standards couldn't get the holes consistent enough. So I made the vector image of the pattern scaled it, then cut it on the laser. Perfect holes and pattern. Won't work on the vast majority of my stuff because it's too large for the machine and I don't at all mind hand cutting. But very specific things and times where I need a repeatable results like this, I'm very much not above using technology to make a better piece;)

    So yep lots to come, I've gotta work out some permission to put some gun logo's and such on holsters. And I've got a bunch of ideas for some original artwork that I think you guys will get a kick out of. At the end of the day though this is going to take a backburner role to my normal orders and I'll just keep picking away at it until I get more to show. But guys interested in getting something engraved feel free to shoot me an email. I'm pretty confident that I can do most stuff at this point if I've got a good image but as always ask and I'll see what I can do;)

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 01:42:46 PM »
    So I mocked up some more options to get some opinions, that first rig was just one idea I had. And of course these are just some more ideas;) I'm also very open to suggestions if you guys have something you think would be cool toss it up. But since the flexibility of this machine is such that I can do just about anything image wise it's opening all sorts of possibilities.

    These are slightly rough in the sense that I just quickly edited them on an existing holster rather than building them out etc. So it's just close ideas of what the finished rigs would look like.






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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 02:02:26 PM »
    So, you could do a faux basketweave design or other more traditional tooling designs with the laser engraver as well?  That might be an interesting mix of old design and new technology.   :hmm
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    « Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 02:12:41 PM »
    I've thought about that and maybe, my concern would be two fold, getting the depth without compromising the leather integrity and then getting the color right. So the ash from the burn colors the surface, but it's also slightly colored from the burn itself. I need to do some testing with actually trying to gently brush with water the surface and see how much of the dark tones are removed. I think if the tones lighten up enough it would be possible to do more traditional tooling patterns with it. That said I might be traditional here but I don't think it would look right, maybe I'm wrong but I think it would loose something compared to regular old school stamping.

    And I should note I've got some orders already coming up for some things like business logo's and the like. So that will be coming down the pipe later once I build them out. Most of the stuff I'm working on or playing with is more of what I would consider the artistic side of it a bit. I still haven't had the time to do some of the things I'm planning. I've gotta dig out some of my old equipment I haven't used in years like my Wacom tablet etc. Since seldom do I do much digital artwork these days other than photo editing and basic stuff;)

    Either way I've got some ideas that at least to me are pretty cool, and may or may not be of interest with other guys. I've also been planning on speaking with a few gun companies to get permission to use their logos, since I know some guys are interested in getting that sort of thing on their rigs. Lately though I just haven't had the time to jump through the hoops and get those permissions but one of these days when I've got some time to spend on the phone during normal business hours I'll make some phone calls. From what I've heard from a few other guys that have done it, mostly it's not a problem with allot of the companies. Few exceptions but most of them are willing to allow use of their logo on a holster for their guns.

    I will say I've also done a fair bit of wood and paper engraving with this machine since I got it;) Pretty dang neat in itself;)

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2016, 02:55:59 PM »
    Yup - I can see where that could suck up huge amounts of time.   :cool
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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2016, 04:10:06 PM »
    Sarah has been having a blast with it making various crafty paper projects like cutting snowflakes;) My sister in law had me cutting bingo chips of all things a while back because she needed some asap out of cardstock. There is something really cool about removing material;) I'll admit it's allot of fun to fiddle with;)

    There is allot of applications for her work, but I've also done some minor stuff now with it for actual cutting etc.

    As an example the holster in this picture is hand cut, but both of the ammo carriers were laser cut, then hand tooled and assembled. Mostly the 2x2x2 ammo carrier was giving me fits to get the holes consistent enough without having a dedicated punch for it. So after much testing, I ended up rigging up air assist in the laser cutter and getting it to the point I could cut through 9oz. leather(which also means I can engrave wood crazy deep). But this was the first production use of the laser in the shop and I'll admit it was handy. I might roll out more of the cutting projects with the laser, it would actually be a reason to digitize my huge mass of patterns. Which I've considered doing anyhow since as it stands they are all paper and could be lost. Granted after cutting as many as I have over the years it wouldn't be a massive loss. I could recreate the majority of them with a few minutes, a dummy gun, and pencil. But I might go over to more laser cutting if after much more testing I find it's better or faster. Because really at the end of the day I've considered die cutting my holsters, but the dies are expensive and then if you want to make a change you throw out that investment. I like to be able to evolve my designs allot. So with the ability to load up the graphics software make a change, or even make a traditional pattern, then convert it over. It would make changes much easier, and while it might not work for allot of people I think it might work for me.

    Downside is size, this machine just isn't big enough for larger scale cutting. It would involve buying or building a bigger machine. And if I'm going bigger I'm sort of got the idea of building one large enough to cut an entire hide at a time.

    So we'll see this could have larger implications long term than just putting cool images on holsters, but we'll have to see because I haven't seen or heard of anyone else doing quite what I'm looking at on the whole.

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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2016, 04:17:47 PM »
    Dang.  I like the looks of that Overland holster.    :)   Oddly enough, I too have a model 625  .  .  .   :hmm
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    « Reply #14 on: November 12, 2016, 04:26:36 PM »
    That one has been on the unofficial order list for a while now;) I think I originally designed that oh probably 5 years ago now;)

    I've made allot of changes to it since then, but it's now really close to a final version so to speak. Really it could be final, just took allot of tweaking but lately I've been doing a fair amount of them;)

    So anyone wanting an overland before I add it to the site just shoot me a note since I can do them. Otherwise it will end up on the site likely pretty soon. Since I've got good images of several of them finished now;)





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    « Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 05:12:30 PM »
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    « Reply #16 on: November 28, 2016, 01:35:17 PM »
    Couple more cool things I've done with the laser in testing lately;) One is a mayan calendar(I believe), and the other is an anatomical drawing of a skull onto a piece of bark from my firewood going in the woodstove in the shop;)







    So many cool things to be able to engrave but I'm still doing allot of testing on other materials etc, I think there will be some interesting things coming forward likely with Sarah's business related to the laser. For guys who aren't familiar she does www.jojcreations.com which is her leather earring business, it's very much a sideline to the shop business. I do her website etc since she doesn't have any experience there. But I taught her how to shoot her pictures and update it etc. But might be handy if any wives or girlfriends need gifts for Christmas;) Her stuff is in stock and shipping rather than built to order as well.

    But either way I suspect we've got some things lined up for cool stuff to do with the laser. I did a sample run of the US military logo's which I think will be popular on holsters etc as well;)

    So more to come as time permits;)

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    « Reply #17 on: November 28, 2016, 02:38:16 PM »
    Very cool, Luke.  This is really going to step things up for you!   
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    « Reply #18 on: November 28, 2016, 06:03:49 PM »
    Couple more cool things I've done with the laser in testing lately;) One is a mayan calendar(I believe), and the other is an anatomical drawing of a skull onto a piece of bark from my firewood going in the woodstove in the shop;)







    So many cool things to be able to engrave but I'm still doing allot of testing on other materials etc, I think there will be some interesting things coming forward likely with Sarah's business related to the laser. For guys who aren't familiar she does www.jojcreations.com which is her leather earring business, it's very much a sideline to the shop business. I do her website etc since she doesn't have any experience there. But I taught her how to shoot her pictures and update it etc. But might be handy if any wives or girlfriends need gifts for Christmas;) Her stuff is in stock and shipping rather than built to order as well.

    But either way I suspect we've got some things lined up for cool stuff to do with the laser. I did a sample run of the US military logo's which I think will be popular on holsters etc as well;)

    So more to come as time permits;)

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    « Reply #19 on: November 30, 2016, 01:55:23 PM »
    And at the request of my neighbor I'm offering to laser engrave magazines. So for competition shooters or just range purposes I can engrave a number and say initials onto magazines so you can ID which ones are giving problems and tell yours apart from other people's.

    Not sure if guys are interested in this or not, but really it's something he wanted and I figured it doesn't cost me anything to offer it as an option.

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    « Reply #20 on: November 30, 2016, 04:13:00 PM »
    That is very cool!
    I really like what you are doing with that and I think it is a great way to expand the options that you can offer.
    It will be interesting to see the combination of this with exotic skins as well. This could take BBQ rigs to a whole new level!
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    Re: Something new, and exciting with holsters
    « Reply #21 on: November 30, 2016, 05:18:24 PM »
    I really like the idea of engraving on the magazines.    :thumbup1     Been marking mine for years but it usually wears off over time and I really hate the way one of those half a&&ed vibrating engravers makes things look.    :facepalm
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    « Reply #22 on: November 30, 2016, 05:25:06 PM »
    Yep this was something I hadn't really considered before, though I should have :facepalm The reason it was dumb of me is that I engraved my airsoft mags almost immediately after getting the machine;) Because I was heading to that big event in Detroit and I've got something like 20 M4 style mags, plus pistol mags etc. And not all are constantly in my vest so it made sense to have my initials on all my mags.

    But he had thought of it while he was here today because he's a competition shooter. And he's painted and tried other things with his mags to mark them over the years. While we were talking about all the crazy things I had engraved so far he asked about mags. And after a few tries we got an acceptable result out of it;)

    I should also mention while on the site it pretty much shows just numbers and initials like everything with this, I'm not nearly that limited on what I could put on mags. Heck I can do pretty much any font, graphic or anything else. Though fair warning I priced it out for simple stuff, and more complicated stuff price wise will depend on how much time it takes me to setup on the machine. Typically though if it's fairly complicated, but I only have to do that once, then engrave it on a bunch of mags. It's going to be cheaper than if I'm doing just one of them with something complicated.

    So just another unwritten option so to speak;)

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    EDIT: I forgot to mention as well, this machine isn't powerful enough to remove steel or metal really. So the marking is surface but quite durable from everything I've read. There are some tricks to make it more permanent on stainless and shiny metal surfaces but I haven't tested those yet. My initial tests with stainless leaves a solid mark that won't rub off etc. So I think it's going to hold up well long term. But I don't really have the long testing on stainless to say for certain at this point. Mostly this is a feeler to see what interest looks like before I sink allot more time and energy into it.
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    « Reply #23 on: December 01, 2016, 01:46:44 PM »
    Does that Overland for the BHP have a thumb snap?

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    « Reply #24 on: December 01, 2016, 04:34:32 PM »
    It does and can, generally most of my rigs are able to be had with a snap but I generally only do it for LEO's and the like with a need for it. Partially because it's a pain to build them and mostly because the guys I get often times asking for one are afraid the gun will fall out of a holster during normal use. Mostly new guys etc, that don't have experience with good holsters that won't drop their gun;)

    So yep it's an option just email me about it or run an order and mention it;)

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