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Re: Will the first citizen to shoot down a Drone...be a folk hero?
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2013, 11:25:21 AM »
And if they are at Nellis we get to go to SHOT Show, right?

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    Re: Will the first citizen to shoot down a Drone...be a folk hero?
    « Reply #26 on: July 20, 2013, 11:38:35 AM »
    Deer Trail, CO is debating an ordinance to allow resident to shoot down drones.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/us/colorado-town-drone-ordinance
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    CNN) -- Deer Trail, a small Colorado town, is considering a measure that would allow its residents to hunt for federal drones and shoot them down.

    "Is it illegal? Of course it is. But it's also illegal to spy on American citizens," resident Phillip Steel told CNN in a phone interview. "If they fly in town, we will shoot them down."

    Steel said he wrote the ordinance after he learned the Federal Aviation Administration "loosened regulations that would allow the flight of drones in domestic airspace."

    The FAA responded.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/19/faa-warns-public-against-shooting-guns-at-drones/

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    WASHINGTON –  People who fire guns at drones are endangering the public and property and could be prosecuted or fined, the Federal Aviation Administration warned Friday.

    The FAA released a statement in response to questions about an ordinance under consideration in the tiny farming community of Deer Trail, Colo., that would encourage hunters to shoot down drones. The administration reminded the public that it regulates the nation's airspace, including the airspace over cities and towns.

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    « Reply #27 on: July 20, 2013, 06:22:28 PM »
    The drones you could take down with a shotgun or rifle would be the small hovering type of drones (one got taken down when harassing a dove hunt at a private shotgun range).  The cruising aircraft type of drones would be much harder to take down with small arms.  Now I know some rocket scientists (aero engineers) whose job is aircraft avionics and whose hobby is launching large amateur rockets.  You combine those two with someone whose knows something about explosives, and taking them down isn't so hard.  Or you just jam their controls.  Blind their sensors.  You could shoot them down at take off or landing pretty easily.  Technology is great when you have the edge.  When the potential targets know as much or more than you do about the tech you are using, not so much.[/size][/font]
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    « Reply #28 on: September 21, 2016, 10:09:13 PM »
    It's been a while since we've talked about these, but I figured I had a worthy addendum to the thread:

    http://petapixel.com/2016/09/21/mike-rowe-says-camera-drone-peeped-naked-bedroom/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

    I'd've shot the fluffing thing down...

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    « Reply #29 on: September 22, 2016, 12:06:04 AM »
    It's been a while since we've talked about these, but I figured I had a worthy addendum to the thread:

    http://petapixel.com/2016/09/21/mike-rowe-says-camera-drone-peeped-naked-bedroom/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

    I'd've shot the fluffing thing down...

    Same here. IMO it's just a modern day Peeping Tom method. Creepy.
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    « Reply #30 on: September 22, 2016, 08:47:43 AM »
    Last 10 seconds of footage would have been me holding up my shotgun, then holding up an open hand... 5...4...3...2...1..

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    « Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 09:31:43 AM »
      Probably easier to blind or dazzle it with a laser or bright spotlight.  Or attempt to "hack" it or jam it with RF equipment.  Safer for the neighbors, too - buckshot
    or bullets have to fall somewhere.  Talk about breaking the "no blue sky" rule! :)
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    « Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 12:25:58 PM »
      Probably easier to blind or dazzle it with a laser or bright spotlight.  Or attempt to "hack" it or jam it with RF equipment.  Safer for the neighbors, too - buckshot
    or bullets have to fall somewhere.  Talk about breaking the "no blue sky" rule! :)
    NO.  Lasers pointed skyward are no joking matter.  They can blind and disorient human aircrew, which can lead to obvious tragedy.  There are laws against lazing planes, with serious penalties, and I would not want to try my luck on a drone.  Even if the UAV is not against the letter of the law, the thousands of manned aircraft in the sky are.
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    « Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 01:12:15 PM »
    Yup. A laser's range is still fixed by physics, just not gravity.

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    « Reply #34 on: November 07, 2016, 03:06:06 PM »
    NO.  Lasers pointed skyward are no joking matter.  They can blind and disorient human aircrew, which can lead to obvious tragedy.  There are laws against lazing planes, with serious penalties, and I would not want to try my luck on a drone.  Even if the UAV is not against the letter of the law, the thousands of manned aircraft in the sky are.

    I'm pretty sure his intent was to disable the camera on the drone, especially one that is peeping and close by. i.e. within 10-20 feet.
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    « Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 04:39:15 PM »
    Yup. A laser's range is still fixed by physics, just not gravity.
    I'm not implying that it will be a death ray, but it can still do some bad things to a human pilots eyesight and can land the perpetrator in serious trouble.  And I don't mean to imply that it can penetrate the clouds, but any low altitude GA craft is still endangered.

    I'm pretty sure his intent was to disable the camera on the drone, especially one that is peeping and close by. i.e. within 10-20 feet.
    Seeing as the camera is how the operator guides the UAV, and a loss of that camera is the same as the loss of a pilot's eyes...  And the falling drone can easily cause loss of life or property...  I reeealy would not want to get caught lazing drones.

    And, perchance the FAA decides that lazing drones is kosher, you are still pointing a laser at the sky, where while you are zeroed in on your 'target,' any number of other craft could be in the background, with you 'not seeing' them.  "Know your target, and what is behind it" definitely applies here.
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    Re: Will the first citizen to shoot down a Drone...be a folk hero?
    « Reply #36 on: November 08, 2016, 08:55:23 AM »
    If he's smart, the first citizen to take down a drone, by any means, will apply the "3-S Rule."

    Shoot, shovel, shut up.
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    « Reply #37 on: November 08, 2016, 10:09:03 PM »
    If he's smart, the first citizen to take down a drone, by any means, will apply the "3-S Rule."

    Shoot, shovel, shut up.

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    But most people can't shut up. But quite often it really is that simple. Just shut up. Don't say anything and there's nothing anyone can make hay out of.
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    « Reply #38 on: January 27, 2017, 01:26:38 PM »
    They must have heard this thread

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    « Reply #39 on: January 27, 2017, 02:34:14 PM »
    They must have heard this thread
    That has to violate a host of FAA regs, likely (almost certainly) making the drone operator guilty of felonies.  I hope no one bothers to track him down... :-\
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    Re: Will the first citizen to shoot down a Drone...be a folk hero?
    « Reply #40 on: January 29, 2017, 01:53:15 AM »
    He was actually arrested on "unrelated" charges. Involving his "assault" on a police officer. The article I read stated the police were afraid he would "hit them with his car" and "was known to possess guns". Which sounds fishy until you read about how when he was arrested he flopped on the floor, then tried to hit his own head on the ground while screaming about police "brutality"...  :facepalm

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    « Reply #41 on: January 29, 2017, 01:55:29 PM »
    http://www.popsci.com/dronedefender-is-an-anti-drone-rifle-attachment

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    « Reply #42 on: January 29, 2017, 05:48:17 PM »
    That has to violate a host of FAA regs, likely (almost certainly) making the drone operator guilty of felonies...

    Actually until the drone gets into regulated airspace the FFA has no jurisdiction. The only possible infraction with the FFA is not to register the drone.  The thing might actually be legal to fly.

     Of course where I live I figure it's legal to blast one out of the sky if it's in my personal "airspace". Suitable weapon would be a 10 or 12 GA running Turkey loads. Sky shots of course, aimed away from any developed or populated areas. Same rules as for waterfowl hunting.

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    « Reply #43 on: January 29, 2017, 06:42:11 PM »
    I imagine it won't be long until some enterprising soul develops a shotgun capable round or even something usable in a flare launcher that deploys compact, lightweight netting that would entangle rotors and disable most small drones. 
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    « Reply #44 on: January 29, 2017, 07:46:31 PM »
    I imagine it won't be long until some enterprising soul develops a shotgun capable round or even something usable in a flare launcher that deploys compact, lightweight netting that would entangle rotors and disable most small drones.

    If they can make a self contained tazer 12 gauge shotgun shell, I would hope they could make a self contained 12 gauge EMP something or another.

    Maybe I played too much Splinter Cell growing up, but hey  :shrug.
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    « Reply #45 on: January 29, 2017, 10:10:29 PM »
    If they can make a self contained tazer 12 gauge shotgun shell, I would hope they could make a self contained 12 gauge EMP something or another.

    Maybe I played too much Splinter Cell growing up, but hey  :shrug.

    I would think just a strong netting would work just as well as shock to disable one. It would have to be one of the models with completely enclosed rotors to not just get wound up in a simple nylon net.
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    « Reply #46 on: January 29, 2017, 10:27:03 PM »
    I would think just a strong netting would work just as well as shock to disable one. It would have to be one of the models with completely enclosed rotors to not just get wound up in a simple nylon net.

    Yeah, but EMP's are cool. Net guns, while effective, are lame. Even bringing down a drone with a harpoon would be cooler than a net.

    Hmm, harpoon gunning drones  :hmm.

    No, no, now that's just silly  :facepalm.
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    « Reply #47 on: January 30, 2017, 09:32:13 AM »
    Yeah, but EMP's are cool. Net guns, while effective, are lame. Even bringing down a drone with a harpoon would be cooler than a net.

    Hmm, harpoon gunning drones  :hmm.

    No, no, now that's just silly  :facepalm.

    OF course it is... which means we need it ASAFP.

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    « Reply #48 on: January 30, 2017, 11:28:49 AM »
    OF course it is... which means we need it ASAFP.

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