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Utah HB198
« on: February 22, 2017, 05:12:51 PM »
This bill passed the Utah house yesterday and moved on to the Senate.  It would permit 18-20 year olds to obtain a CCW.  It adds an additional restriction on primary and secondary schools that permit holders 21 and over do not face.

Thoughts? 

I am pretty excited as I have a 20 year old daughter that is counting the days to her permit, and a 16 year old doing the same.  Both of whom I would gladly trust with a handgun.
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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 07:08:29 PM »
    I don't see anything wrong with the plan unless there is something else hidden in there.
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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 07:30:51 PM »
    Me either.
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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2017, 10:49:44 PM »
    Thoughts? 
    I think this is a good thing.  If 18 year olds are of the age of legal majority, then they should be given access to all of the rights and privileges - and responsibilities - of citizenship.



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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 03:16:48 AM »
    I think this is a good thing.  If 18 year olds are of the age of legal majority, then they should be given access to all of the rights and privileges - and responsibilities - of citizenship.



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    I'm at the other side of that position. 
    If they're going to be considered legal adults at 18 years of age with the right to vote and the duty to register for the draft then they should have ALL of their rights. 
    Either they're legally adults or they're not.  While I wouldn't have a problem if the legal age of majority were 21, changing it back to that age would at best set a very bad precedent and at worst be un-Constitutional as it would be striping a class of people of their present rights.

    I've always wondered why some 18 year old hasn't made a Constitutional challenge of discrimination (based on the age of a legal adult) against the drinking age being set at 21.   I was drinking legally at 17 while stationed in Germany back in the 80's and while we had our share of Animal House type hijinks I didn't notice a lack of participation in said hijinks by the 21 and over crowd either. ;)

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    « Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 04:58:53 AM »
    I'm at the other side of that position. 
    If they're going to be considered legal adults at 18 years of age with the right to vote and the duty to register for the draft then they should have ALL of their rights. 
    Either they're legally adults or they're not.  While I wouldn't have a problem if the legal age of majority were 21, changing it back to that age would at best set a very bad precedent and at worst be un-Constitutional as it would be striping a class of people of their present rights.

    I've always wondered why some 18 year old hasn't made a Constitutional challenge of discrimination (based on the age of a legal adult) against the drinking age being set at 21.   I was drinking legally at 17 while stationed in Germany back in the 80's and while we had our share of Animal House type hijinks I didn't notice a lack of participation in said hijinks by the 21 and over crowd either. ;)

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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 11:52:07 AM »
    The only challenge I see is that while you can get a permit while 18-20, you can't buy a handgun from a dealer legally.  All firearms would have to be acquired through private sale.  I'm just wondering if this has the potential to create more straw purchases.

    I'm pretty sure the 21 age limit is a federal thing but if there's a way to also change purchase of a hand gun to an 18 year old, I'm all for it.

    And I guess, further extension of this, how does this 18-20 year old purchase ammunition?  I believe that is also restricted.

    And then the 18-20 year old cannot take their handgun to a gunsmith as they would not be able to transfer it back because of the age limit.
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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 01:15:12 PM »
    I see your point.  Of course about half the handguns I own were purchased via classifieds in face to face private party transactions.  That is definitely a venue some would pursue.

    And for most I imagine Dad or Mom will gift them a gun.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 01:53:24 PM »
    I joined the Army at 17 years old.  They gave me pistols, rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, recoiless anti-tank rifles, and shoulder fired, tube launched, optically wire-guided, anti-tank missiles.
    All that without a whole hell of a lot of supervision.   
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    « Reply #9 on: February 23, 2017, 02:17:28 PM »
    I joined the Army at 17 years old.  They gave me pistols, rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, recoiless anti-tank rifles, and shoulder fired, tube launched, optically wire-guided, anti-tank missiles.
    All that without a whole hell of a lot of supervision.   
    I turned out okay.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 23, 2017, 06:03:19 PM »
    They gave me an AH64. But I was 24.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2017, 09:24:38 AM »
    They didn't give you a tank?

    They gave me a tank... :neener

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    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2017, 11:11:21 PM »
    I bought my first handgun through a classified ad.  An old model Ruger Blackhawk, in .41 Magnum.  I was 15 at the time.
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    Re: Utah HB198
    « Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 08:30:20 AM »
       Montana has been 18 to get a CWP for years.   I applied a day after my 18th birthday.   As far as getting handgun ammo.....well they make hi-points in .40, 9mm, .45 and lever actions in .357 and .44.  :coffee 


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    I'll disagree.  Mainly because it shouldn't be conditional one way or another. Make it 18, 21 or 23.

       Overall I think #1......screw-ups in life? they're learning moments.  Might as well start learning them.  They get in debt? get married? start smoking or drinking? that's their problem.  they gotta deal with it.

       #2.  I currently hate the mish-mash of laws everywhere where some stuff is okay at 18, but other stuff isn't until 21.     I'll admit 23 seems to be a turning point, but most 21 year olds I know are just as stupid if not a bit MORE than 18 year olds.
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