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Dustinthewind

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Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« on: July 09, 2011, 07:17:27 PM »
Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 07:31:54 PM »
When did this air?
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:07:04 PM »
2009 I think. 
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 08:20:13 PM »
Gunrunner and Fast and Furious are linked but not the same.  (Fast and Furious is part of Gunrunner)

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/rediscovered-infomration-on-project-gunrunner-leading-to-misconceptions

Yes they are corrupt, yea they all probably did have a part in pushing this criminal enterprise, but this doesn't prove it.

The only way we can get answers is via a special prosecutor.



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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 11:13:07 PM »
Also, the video doesn't say that the President ordered Project Gunrunner launched, much less Fast and (the) Furious. 

It says that the President directed an ambiguous "us" to take action, and then goes on to say what the speaker and Attorney General Holder have determined to do in order to carry out that directive.

Really, I'd be kinda surprised if the President personally ordered the operation to be conducted.  It seems a bit low on the totem pole for him, and too sloppily carried out if there was a larger nefarious plan behind it.
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 11:41:41 PM »
I'm sure Obama didn't give the ok every time a sell was made to the straw purchasers either.  But if he wanted to take the credit for ordering project gun runner by having it announced at the white house, and Fast and Furious is part of gun runner, then let's give him the credit he wanted. 
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 09:43:10 AM »
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 11:33:23 AM »
Quote from: Dustinthewind on July 10, 2011, 09:43:10 AM
The smoking gun

The Stimulation Of Murder

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=577800&p=1


Dude!  What are you doing?!  That's an opinion piece.

Twice in the other thread, now twice here... STOP trying to stir up emotions already.  Ugh.


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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 12:05:03 AM »
Quote from: JKimball on July 09, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
I'm sure Obama didn't give the ok every time a sell was made to the straw purchasers either.  But if he wanted to take the credit for ordering project gun runner by having it announced at the white house, and Fast and Furious is part of gun runner, then let's give him the credit he wanted.  


 ::)

Let's clear up a couple of facts about this video, and Project Gunrunner:

First, they didn't hold the press conference to announce Project Gunrunner.  The press conference that this video was clipped from was held on March 24, 2009 (eight months before Fast and Furious came about), and the part which mentions Project Gunrunner was 36 seconds of the half hour event.  

Second, he wasn't taking credit (or trying to take credit) for ordering Project Gunrunner.  That would be silly, since Project Gunrunner was started in 2005, and went national in 2006.

This is a classic example of a video clip being given a spooky name, shown completely devoid of context, and then sold as something that defies both fact and reason, with the hope that most viewers won't make the effort to find out if it's actually true.

I dislike Fast and Furious as much as the next person, it's a stinking mess.  But this isn't a smoking gun, and it's not even a leaking water pistol.
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 11:40:31 PM »
Quote from: Feud on July 12, 2011, 12:05:03 AM

First, they didn't hold the press conference to announce Project Gunrunner.  The press conference that this video was clipped from was held on March 24, 2009 (eight months before Fast and Furious came about), and the part which mentions Project Gunrunner was 36 seconds of the half hour event. 

Second, he wasn't taking credit (or trying to take credit) for ordering Project Gunrunner.  That would be silly, since Project Gunrunner was started in 2005, and went national in 2006.



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OK, would it be silly to say that Obama took credit for the efforts that culminated in killing Osama? Impossible! Those efforts were started long before Obama came into office.  Oh wait, nevermind, I guess he did (starting at 3:30:)
Obama: Osama bin Laden Dead - Full Video



It doesn't matter how many seconds of the half hour event it took to say that the president wants to crack down on drug cartels and gun runners.  The only reason they would say that in this venue is to give the president credit for it.

I'm not saying this proves that Obama told these guys to plan a murder of a border patrol agent by the cartels where they would be sure to leave the assault rifles on the scene with their serial numbers completely in tact so they could be traced back to evil American gun stores.  But I'm not not saying that's what happened.  There, now that is something you can roll your eyes at.
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 10:22:49 AM »
Probably wasn't even a blip on 0's radar.  Holder, on the other hand...  You know, the hand in the cookie jar...   :vomit
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 08:34:59 PM »
interesting news today about Fast and Furious.

(sorry to say I only have Fox news and a blog site so far.  for those not inclined to accept those as sources)


U.S. Government Used Taxpayer Funds to Buy, Sell Weapons During 'Fast and Furious,' Documents Show

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/26/us-government-bought-and-sold-weapons-during-fast-and-furious-documents-show/

Vanderboegh & Codrea exclusive: U.S. Gov't used an ATF employee to buy weapons with taxpayer money & walk them -- without help from straw buyers!

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/09/vanderboegh-codrea-exclusive-us-govt.html


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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2011, 12:45:59 PM »
RICO baby...RICO.

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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2011, 10:17:01 PM »
Here's a dandy of a piece on the subject.  There are so many hands in this mess, it's nearly impossible to tell who's the dirtiest. :banghead :banghead :banghead - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20112834-10391695.html
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2011, 10:24:23 PM »
Programs, Get yer Programs here,  can't tell the players apart with Yer Programs.   :panic
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2011, 10:34:08 PM »
Okay, I swear I saw this, like, back in July or the beginning of August that one of the primary targets the ATF was supposedly after was an FBI/DEA informant that the ATF was unaware of. Is this something different, or are they now claiming ATF knew that their target was a snitch for the FBI/DEA all along?
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2011, 11:35:08 PM »
Wasn't the whole idea of Homeland Defense supposed to be limiting cluster____s like this, and enhance communication between departments?
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Re: Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 11:55:03 PM »
Quote from: booksmart on September 29, 2011, 11:35:08 PM
Wasn't the whole idea of Homeland Defense supposed to be limiting cluster____s like this, and enhance communication between departments?

That was the idea floated to pass their creation. Homeland defense, in reality, was created for a whole different reason, in my opinon.
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