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Re: Thank God . . .
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2016, 05:04:46 PM »
Not sure I'd rate Sessions and Bannon as "good appointments"... When Sessions was turned down for a Federal judge position due to inflammatory comments (including calling the ACLU "un-American"), not sure Attorney General is a good idea.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/opinion/jeff-sessions-as-attorney-general-an-insult-to-justice.html?_r=0

FWIW, I agree that our problem this time was our complete lack of turnout.  I attribute that to three things (in no particular order of importance)-

1) Comey's interference.  FBI Director shouldn't take publicly take sides in an election, but I reckon he figured he was out of a job at the end of this administration no matter what.

2) The DNC's shenanigans regarding backing Clinton over Sanders, the CNN debate, etc., ad infinitum ad nauseum.  We need to clean house as badly as the Republicans do.

3) Because Clinton just had too much g#$%#$#^n baggage.  Whether the past 30 years of Clinton investigations are justified or slander, she had way too many albatrosses around her neck to really inspire a good turnout.

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    « Reply #51 on: November 19, 2016, 06:54:50 PM »
    1) Comey's interference.  FBI Director shouldn't take publicly take sides in an election, but I reckon he figured he was out of a job at the end of this administration no matter what.

    2) The DNC's shenanigans regarding backing Clinton over Sanders, the CNN debate, etc., ad infinitum ad nauseum.  We need to clean house as badly as the Republicans do.

    3) Because Clinton just had too much g#$%#$#^n baggage.  Whether the past 30 years of Clinton investigations are justified or slander, she had way too many albatrosses around her neck to really inspire a good turnout.
    And in the spirit of this thread, for those three items: "Thank God."

    Is Trump perfect?  No.  Was Sessions my preference?  No.  I would have preferred less of a conservative, and more of a Constitutional literalist, like Trey Gowdy.

    But not for a room full of gold, would I trade not-perfect Trump for a Clinton presidency.  Ever.  Or, really, any democrat on the national scene.  You guys had eight years to f__k things up.  We need at least four to offset the damage, before you get the baton back. :scrutiny
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    « Reply #52 on: November 19, 2016, 06:56:34 PM »
    :rotfl

    Kaso forbids all happiness.
    No, Kaso disdains foolish behavior.  There is a difference. :scrutiny
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    « Reply #53 on: November 19, 2016, 07:31:00 PM »
    I also fail to see anything "controversial" about it .

    You also fail to understand what I meant.  I'm not referring to the win.  I'm referring to the campaigns.  Clinton had tons of baggage to try and wipe away, and Trump said some pretty god-awful crap on all manner of topics. 

    The win was clean.  The campaigns were anything but.


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    « Reply #54 on: November 19, 2016, 07:40:37 PM »
    I agree that the campaign was dirty, but what political campaign hasn't been dirty?

    We had some unique scandalous stuff in this one, but anytime there is a Clinton involved, you can bet you're going to get you're fill of scandals.
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    « Reply #55 on: November 19, 2016, 07:49:01 PM »
    Is Trump perfect?  No.  Was Sessions my preference?  No.

    Any time someone uses this kind of verbiage it seems to want to imply that the subject of the comment comes close to perfect but has some inconsequential flaws.  :eh

    Let's make this clear right now...  Donald Trump is about as perfect as a 1-year-old using his first coloring book.  Donald Trump is to perfect what a landfill is to an operating room.   Even using the word 'perfect' in the same breath as Donald Trump is surely something we're both going to have to answer for when we die.

    And Hillary Clinton is exactly the same where 'perfect' is concerned; the utter opposite.

    The American people were asked which nut they wanted to be kicked in.  They chose the right one instead of the left.  Nothing really to smile about in my opinion (unless you're into that kind of thing).  So spread your legs and lean to the right, here it comes.

     :vomit


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    « Reply #56 on: November 19, 2016, 07:55:23 PM »
    I agree that the campaign was dirty, but what political campaign hasn't been dirty?

    Mitt Romney seemed to have taken the high(er) road.

    Beside the point anyway.  Just because past elections have been dirty doesn't make it okay in this one.  This constant habit of setting our moral standards and expectations according to the lowest common denominator really seems to me to rest near the heart of almost every problem in the world.   :-\


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    « Reply #57 on: November 19, 2016, 08:47:36 PM »
    Mitt Romney seemed to have taken the high(er) road.

    Beside the point anyway.  Just because past elections have been dirty doesn't make it okay in this one.  This constant habit of setting our moral standards and expectations according to the lowest common denominator really seems to me to rest near the heart of almost every problem in the world.   :-\


    -T.

    I remember that campaign well because it was the first election that I was old enough to vote in. It taught me that Republicans who use morality as a running theme in their campaign and who are too "nice" to throw a punch in debate don't get elected. You're running against someone. You are competing, it doesn't mean that you have to be an a______ like Trump or that you can't be friends afterwards, but as far as the public eye is concerned- you do not start your argument with "my opponent is a nice guy, but...", because if he is so great that even the opposition talks him up, then he will win. Which he did in that election.

    Whether we like it or not Americans have always made voting a negative action. We don't vote for somebody, we vote against the other guy. If you ask someone why they are voting for who they are voting for, you will most likely hear of what the opposition is doing.

    "Why are you voting for Hillary?"

    "Because Trump is a racist and sexist bigot."

    We should strive for the first part. We should strive for a moral and square political competition. I agree with you there.

    It is the second part of my comment that I do not know how we will change it. I don't know how we can change the culture where we start voting for "our guy" instead of voting against "their guy". Until we change that, I fear that every election will be one of mud slinging.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #58 on: November 19, 2016, 08:56:44 PM »
    Any time someone uses this kind of verbiage it seems to want to imply that the subject of the comment comes close to perfect but has some inconsequential flaws.  :eh
    Perhaps that is the way I see it.  Trump's flaws are inconsequential.  Sessions' flaws are minor.  Refer to the rest of my post, the part you did not quote:

    But not for a room full of gold, would I trade not-perfect Trump for a Clinton presidency.  Ever.  Or, really, any democrat on the national scene.  You guys had eight years to f__k things up.  We need at least four to offset the damage, before you get the baton back.

    That is the way I see it.  I am sorry that you disagree.

    Let's make this clear right now...  Donald Trump is...
    I really do disagree.  There are things about Big T. that I would have him change, but I embrace his message, and yes, to a point, his mannerisms.  I have said it before, Trump was not my first choice, my second, or my third, but once he was the nominee and I started looking past his theatrics and at his positions...  I think he should have been my first choice.

    The American people were asked which nut they wanted to be kicked in.  They chose the right one instead of the left.  Nothing really to smile about in my opinion. (unless you're into that kind of thing)  So spread your legs and lean to the right, here it comes.
    Since you brought up the colorful imagery...  Yes, one man's torture is another man's fun.  I know you are a strong libertarian, and many (most) of Trump's positions are likely sickening to you.  I am proudly not a libertarian.  I used to think I was, until I realized how inefficient it is to live in a land of free-range jello cats.  A strong nation needs a unified society, and since we do not live in a homogenous society (any way you look at it) the best way to achieve that is with a strong leader.  A Tito-esque leader.  While Trump is nowhere close to that, he is the Only one out of all 17 republicans and 5 democrats that had any reasonable potential for it.  (If I were to pick a distant second for that metric, it would actually have been Clinton.)  A strong leader who is also a strict constitutional literalist would be preferable, but that does make it kind of hard to run a populist campaign.  ;)
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    « Reply #59 on: November 19, 2016, 09:55:55 PM »
    Look, the best thing Trump's got going for him is that he is an absolute master at manipulating the media.  Look how long it took him to shift focus from his $25million Trump University settlement to the VP-elect being "harassed" while at a performance of Hamilton.

    https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/800021782665318404

    A few things about that that I find interesting:

    1) He said the "theatre should be a safe and secure space"... coulda sworn y'all mocked people for asking for "safe spaces"...

    2) If he thought that the *CAST* asking the *AUDIENCE* to be polite and not boo, then reading a polite open letter to VP-elect Pence was harassment, he should maybe take a look at what his supporters have been spraying on people's houses and cars (and, I might add, the memorial site for Beastie Boy Adam Yauch, aka MCA).

    3) I find it very interesting he used his VP as a stalking goat, and didn't have the balls to go himself.

    Unlike others, I'm not surprised he knew what Hamilton was... he's high society in New York City, of course he's up on Broadway events.

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    « Reply #60 on: November 19, 2016, 10:18:08 PM »
    Look, the best thing Trump's got going for him is that he is an absolute master at manipulating the media.  Look how long it took him to shift focus from his $25million Trump University settlement to the VP-elect being "harassed" while at a performance of Hamilton.

    https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/800021782665318404

    A few things about that that I find interesting:

    1) He said the "theatre should be a safe and secure space"... coulda sworn y'all mocked people for asking for "safe spaces"...

    2) If he thought that the *CAST* asking the *AUDIENCE* to be polite and not boo, then reading a polite open letter to VP-elect Pence was harassment, he should maybe take a look at what his supporters have been spraying on people's houses and cars (and, I might add, the memorial site for Beastie Boy Adam Yauch, aka MCA).

    3) I find it very interesting he used his VP as a stalking goat, and didn't have the balls to go himself.

    Unlike others, I'm not surprised he knew what Hamilton was... he's high society in New York City, of course he's up on Broadway events.

    I don't remember his theatre safe space comment, but yes safe spaces are clown shoes, pants on the head stupid.

    Granted I don't recall ever agreeing with everything "The Don" has said, nor any candidate  :scrutiny.

    I'm not exactly sure what we are investigating here. If we are pointing out hypocrisy, virtue signaling, or idiocy in American politics, then we are going to be here a while  :coffee.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #61 on: November 19, 2016, 10:23:45 PM »
    The theatre wasn't really a safe space for Mr. Lincoln... 
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    « Reply #62 on: November 19, 2016, 10:34:37 PM »
    The theatre wasn't really a safe space for Mr. Lincoln...

    Yeah, but we caught Lee Harvey Oswald anways. Even after he fled to Russia to escape the Wikileaks incident. Sharing America's secrets like that, he was a traitor in many ways  :eh.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #63 on: November 19, 2016, 10:51:22 PM »
    ...safe spaces are clown shoes, pants on the head stupid.
    Truth.  No matter who is calling for them.  :coffee
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    « Reply #64 on: November 19, 2016, 11:13:30 PM »
    I think I should have just left my commentary at "Thank God .  .  ."   :facepalm

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    « Reply #65 on: November 19, 2016, 11:26:56 PM »
    I think I should have just left my commentary at "Thank God .  .  ."   :facepalm

    Y'all have fun with this  -  I'm out.

    You didn't like my history lesson?  :neener
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #66 on: November 19, 2016, 11:32:54 PM »
      The days of Republicans playing nice are long-gone, hopefully.

    We have taken the highroad for years, boxing with gloves on and following the rules, while Democrats have nut-kicked and tossed sand with one hand while wielding a knuckle-duster with the other.    **** playing "nice".        I've been in fair reasonable arguments and as soon as the dem starts losing (generally) names are started calling, and off-the-wall fringe arguments are thrown in.

       Trump is not a libertarian candidate......I consider myself a conservative libertarian.....That said An actual Libertarian government would be a clean killing field for the democrats, they'd run roughshod over them.     

         I'll take 8 years of conservativism over 8 years of Hillary......and as much as some will call it a nut-kick as equal to Hillary?  I just have to laugh.  8 years of Hillary and we would have seen such sweeping change that any thoughts of a libertarian ideal would have been hopelessly crushed with socialist supreme court judges, federal judge appointments and sweeping legislation.

     
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    « Reply #67 on: November 19, 2016, 11:35:47 PM »
    Not sure I'd rate Sessions and Bannon as "good appointments"... When Sessions was turned down for a Federal judge position due to inflammatory comments (including calling the ACLU "un-American"), not sure Attorney General is a good idea.

    I'd say their good or bad is dependent on your political views ;)    Sessions is twice the man the job over Lynch.    He said comments that I don't agree with....fully.....however the NAACP?   yeeeaaaaahh.....done more to harm race relations in the last 15 years than they accomplished in their first years.   I view them like Unions:  Had their place and were very important for moving stuff forward.....and have grown unwieldy and self-supporting VS actually helping the people they claim to represent.

    Montana"I’d say the worst part of all this is the feeling of betrayal,           but I’m betting the part where they break in here and beat us to death might be worse.”

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    « Reply #68 on: November 19, 2016, 11:43:23 PM »
      I will also say (I'm multi-posting....yes I am...... :neener).

    I am NOT....happy that Trump is our nominee.   I'd love to have seen Rand Paul being sworn in in 2017....won't happen.

      I also believe ('m a pessimist) that we'll see some measure of "common sense" gun control like a UBC or the like passed in his administration.    and I'm sure we'll see more Patriot Act nonsense and surveillance laws passed that we will despise.   I am betting he will enlarge the fed governments power over the states.    That's the downside of conservative candidates, they're as bad as the liberals in that aspect.   

       However I do believe he will not try to truly move the United States towards a socialist state like his predecessor or his defeated opponent.      I also believe his government will not support the "OMG we must all feel bad for (Insert cause, BLM, Confederate flag, hurt feelz)" movements.   

        I will be flying the 50 star US flag for the first time for 3 years on Jan 20th.   I have flown the Betsy Ross most of the time (according to US flag code, still a legitimate US flag). 
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    « Reply #69 on: November 19, 2016, 11:47:34 PM »
    Well, I certainly disagree with most of you.  Thus far I've seen nothing that compels me to change my mind.  :shrug  Maybe I will in the years to come.  We can hope.

    For now it is what it is I guess.  All academic at this point anyway.  We'll see what happens.

    ...

    For the record though, while I may have some "little-L" libertarian views, I am absolutely no "big-L" Libertarian.  I find that lot to be no better than the rest of them, and sometimes worse.  At minimum they're egregiously incompetent.

    What I am is what I am.  I haven't yet found a box that my point of view fits in.  I hope I never do.   :eh


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    « Reply #70 on: November 19, 2016, 11:55:29 PM »
    Well, I certainly disagree with most of you.  Thus far I've seen nothing that compels me to change my mind.  :shrug  Maybe I will in the years to come.  We can hope.

    For now it is what it is I guess.  All academic at this point anyway.  We'll see what happens.

    ...

    For the record though, while I may have some "little-L" libertarian views, I am absolutely no "big-L" Libertarian.  I find that lot to be no better than the rest of them, and sometimes worse.  At minimum they're egregiously incompetent.

    What I am is what I am.  I haven't yet found a box that my point of view fits in.  I hope I never do.   :eh


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    Well at least we don't have to worry about the country being ruined by a "big L" Libertarian party candidate. We don't even get 10% of the vote as is, anyways  :facepalm.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #71 on: November 20, 2016, 12:05:11 AM »
    I'd vote for one if they put up a competent candidate.


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    « Reply #72 on: November 22, 2016, 12:10:59 AM »
    I'd say their good or bad is dependent on your political views ;)    Sessions is twice the man the job over Lynch.    He said comments that I don't agree with....fully.....however the NAACP?   yeeeaaaaahh.....done more to harm race relations in the last 15 years than they accomplished in their first years.   I view them like Unions:  Had their place and were very important for moving stuff forward.....and have grown unwieldy and self-supporting VS actually helping the people they claim to represent.

    Look at his comments regarding the ACLU...

    Now, Bannon... Bannon is bad news.  As the editorial head of Breitbart, he's responsible for the tone of the content - and he calls it the platform for the alt-right.

    Brace yourself.

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    The intellectual leaders of the alt-right movement like Spencer, the site argued, were “dangerously bright,” which was perhaps why liberals feared them Breitbart suggested.

    In August, Bannon proudly described his site as "the platform for the alt-right," a movement with Spencer as one of its intellectual leaders, again, according to Bannon’s own site.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/21/meet_the_neo_nazi_steve_bannon_s_site_described_as_a_leading_intellectual.html

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    That’s how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as “an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of  people of European descent in the United States, and around the world.”

    Spencer has popularized the term “alt-right” to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

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    « Reply #73 on: November 22, 2016, 08:12:42 AM »
    Which is disturbing by itself, until you add these to it:

    http://deadstate.org/restaurant-that-got-duped-by-alt-righters-nazis-donates-10k-to-anti-defamation-league/

    And this. If you watch the video of Laura Ingraham's speech at the convention:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Twitter-slams-Laura-Ingraham-for-appearing-to-make-a-Nazi-salute-at-Trumps-RNC.html?mobi=true

    That gesture is not accidental.

    Y'all got played, in the most horrendous way possible.

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    Re: Thank God . . .
    « Reply #74 on: November 22, 2016, 09:37:21 AM »
    Y'all got played, in the most horrendous way possible.
    Nope.  You say that as if Trump is not exactly (or close) what I wanted.  You are wrong.  He is.  Sessions for Gowdy aside, the past two weeks have been a dream.  His cabinet looks almost identical to my dream team. 

    To the rest, there is nothing wrong with white people finally voting their interests.  Every other racial and fringe group is expected to be 'proud,' but straight white men are supposed to hang their heads?  Riiiight...  ::)  To be clear, I am not in favor of ethnic cleansing, segregation (though it has merits) or deporting all illegals.  Why should I have to be?  I can be a proud American Nationalist of the White race, and Not embrace hate.  Thing is, *y'all* (to use your word) don't get to pick the definition of 'hate.'

    Like I said before, you and your ilk had eight years to f__k things up.  We get four to try and offset some damage to our country, our society, and our culture.

    (And since I am in a confrontational mood) *flips bird* Sieg Heil. ;)
    Donald J Trump, by the Grace of God: 45th president of the United States.
    20 January 2017, 12:01pm
    Here's to a great four years!

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