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New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« on: June 14, 2013, 11:01:35 AM »
Campus carry, abolishing the corrupt purchase permit system (years ago I had the sheriff hint that he might deny me a purchase permit just because he was irritated at me for arguing with him), etc. Its not perfect but its light years in the right direction especially for NC!

This would allow my wife, a 2nd grade teacher, to have her pistol in her van while at work to better protect what she lovingly refers to as her "other babies." - sarge712



http://nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/6/north-carolina-state-senate-passes-right-to-carry-reform,-returns-to-state-house-for-a-concurrence-vote.aspx

Contact your state Representative AND Governor McCrory in support of House Bill 937


Today, the North Carolina Senate passed a comprehensive right-to-carry reform, House Bill 937, by a 31-14 vote.  This bill now returns to the North Carolina House of Representatives for a concurrence vote on the Senate version.  Please contact your state Representative TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to vote to concur on H 937. 

As passed in the state House in May, H 937 sought to make a number of important pro-gun reforms including, but not limited to:

*Allowing Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP) holders to lawfully carry their personal protection firearm into a restaurant that serves alcohol.
*Removing the prohibition on CHP holders from carrying into a place where tickets are sold for admission and would fix the problem of anti-gun localities overstepping their authority regarding restricting CHP holders from carrying firearms into locally controlled parks.
*Addressing some issues regarding firearms in a vehicle, as well as certain firearm issues on campus grounds.
*Bringing North Carolina in compliance with the standards set forth in the federal NICS Improvement Amendments Act (NIAA) of 2007—a critical mental health reform.

A Proposed Committee Substitute (PCS) to H 937, offered by state Senator Buck Newton (R-11), adds to H 937 a number of critical reforms, including:

*Repealing the obsolete Permit to Purchase requirement for the purchase of a handgun in North Carolina.
*Allowing CHP holders to transport their personal protection handguns in their motor vehicle while on all school property, as well as allow them to store those handguns in their locked vehicles while parked on school property.
*Ensuring the privacy of CHP holders by allowing access to the database of permittees only for law enforcement purposes.
*Removing the prohibition on CHP holders carrying their personal protection firearms during a parade or funeral.
*Removing the prohibition on using firearms with sound suppressing devices while otherwise lawfully hunting game.


Law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen in the Tar Heel State need these critical reforms.  Therefore, also please contact Governor Pat McCrory (R) and urge him to support the state House concurring on H 937 and to sign H 937 into law when it reaches his desk.

Governor: (919) 814-2000 and E-mail
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2013, 11:06:57 AM »
So, by what method would non-CHP holders purchase a handgun once the Jim Crow purchase permit system is repealed?
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2013, 11:11:15 AM »
So, by what method would non-CHP holders purchase a handgun once the Jim Crow purchase permit system is repealed?

I'd say just lay the money down just like buying a car or a set of kitchen knives. Its not like the current system of trying to screen out felons or frootloops works in the least. Both get guns outside the system anyway.
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2013, 11:38:30 AM »
I was thinking they'd probably call it into NICS like they do w/ long guns, maybe?
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2013, 11:48:06 AM »
Probably so. I had it done to me at the gunshow that Nikolai and I went to in Waynesville when I bought that coachgun. It took all of 10 minutes and the dealer and I had a good talk while we waited. Criminals and Crazees will steal or buy from others of their kind and ignore the law anyway. I am very encouraged. Next step is Arizona/Alaska/Vermont-style gun laws
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 07:40:31 AM »
I have heard similar stuff like this happens pretty often in the liberal urban areas of Charlotte (Mecklenburg county) and Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill (Research Triangle) but elsewhere, no. The state is pretty conservative believe it or not but as with most places, there is a urban liberal/rural conservative disconnect. We have a Dem sheriff in our county and he is pro-gun. My wife got her CCW with no run around other than waiting for Raleigh to approve it and send it back. Someone just needs to sue his ass off and get him back in line.
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 08:19:52 AM »
I was thinking they'd probably call it into NICS like they do w/ long guns, maybe?

That's what they do in IN. From my perspective as a buyer there is no difference between purchasing a handgun or long gun. I can't speak to whether the procedure is any different for the dealer.
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 05:54:52 PM »
So, by what method would non-CHP holders purchase a handgun once the Jim Crow purchase permit system is repealed?



Umm...sell guns like normal, obeying all federal laws. 

Here in MN we have the 'permit to purchase' but federal law is federal law, so even with permit or CCW you STILL have to have NICS run.

So when you do away with a 'permit to purchase' you just plop down your cash, fill out a 4473, ( http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf ) and wait for the NICS approval.

which is why permit to purchase systems are so stupid, as they are generally just an NICS check anyways...just one you have to plan ahead of time and have done at a specific place then wait for a few weeks for a little card.

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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 05:38:21 PM »
  By the way, the House passed it on the 10th. The Governor needs to sign off on it in a designated period of time( I believe it's 12 or 18 days?) and it will become State Law.
  Once the law is effective, someone who doesn't have a CCW permit, needs only to go to the LGS where they will call-in a NICS check just like w/a rifle purchase.
  The Sheriff's permitting system was allowed to continue to exist after parts of the 1994 Brady law became permanent only because it was considered a suitable equivalent to the NICS method.......but the Sheriff's permitting  is now behind us thankfully.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2013&BillID=h937&submitButton=Go

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Applications/BillLookUp/LoadBillDocument.aspx?SessionCode=2013&DocNum=7212&SeqNum=1
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 11:38:33 PM »
Looks like we got ourselves some new gun laws!!

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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 02:17:37 AM »
Yay!
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 02:23:26 AM »
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 12:51:18 PM »
One step closer to Constitutional Carry. Gov. McCrory is proving to be our most pro-2A governor yet. And there's Congressman Mark Meadows who hangs out at gunshows and shoots at least 2x/month pulling for us in DC. Very down-to-earth man.
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Re: New NC gun law changes just have to pass the NC House now!
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 02:40:25 PM »
Heh. I have a couple of moderate to liberal (two moderates, one liberal that firmly believes she's moderate) friends in NC, and I am enjoying their responses. The actual moderates are like "sounds bad, but don't they already do that most places? I don't think this will be a big deal ... " and the liberal is sounding like she might be beside herself. "But even the police said it was a bad idea!"

cue "shootouts in bars" argument ...

cue "blood running in the streets" argument ...

cue "shootouts over parking spaces" argument ...

I love that I lived in a state where CCW was pretty much unfettered for my whole life, then I moved to Ohio and I got to see the state go from no CCW to actually pretty decent CCW, and watch the same old arguments get trotted out and then fail to be issues.

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