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Cato Institute: Gun Control - Grounds for Compromise
« on: September 30, 2016, 06:27:03 PM »
Does this in any way help preserve a "fundamental civil right?"

Is there any logical limit to future "public safety" based infringements?

Robert Levy presents a cogent case for why further controls will be virtually without effect, yet he proposes areas of "compromise" - essentially one-way concessions. 

http://www.cato.org/policy-report/septemberoctober-2016/gun-control-grounds-compromise
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    Re: Cato Institute: Gun Control - Grounds for Compromise
    « Reply #1 on: October 03, 2016, 11:30:58 AM »
    That article was surprising from Cato. To me it indicates a cuckservative trend toward apologetics and appeasement rather than principle.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 03, 2016, 12:40:01 PM »
    so yet another "compromise" proposal that is all one sided. 

    let us acknowledge that the gun show loop hole does not exist, but still expect us to compromise on the gun show loop hole, to prevent illegal sales that are not occurring.

    put the high capacity magazine ban back in place, while acknowledging that there are "There are hundreds of millions of magazines in circulation with a capacity of 10 rounds or more."  so he desires us to "compromise" on a ban that has been proven to have no effect and is for appearances only, a feel good item.  You need to compromise because it will make me feel good that I have done something.

    and the first section, the meat of the matter, is the foot in the door section. "The task, therefore, is to identify semi-automatic weapons that are not commonly used and not needed for lawful purposes. The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban went too far, but a more limited version might be viable."

    who gets to decide ?  based on what factors ? what statistics ? gonna randomly look in my gun safe and pick and choose ? What emotionally laden social media meme will be the driving force this week on what is to be banned ?  one time listing chiseled into stone in Federal law listing make and model ?  or some politician adding to the list whenever they choose ? 

    compromise
    noun com·pro·mise \ˈkäm-prə-ˌmīz\
    Simple Definition of compromise

        : a way of reaching agreement in which each person or group gives up something that was wanted in order to end an argument or dispute

        : something that combines the qualities of two different things

        : a change that makes something worse and that is not done for a good reason

    Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary


    Where is the reciprocal ? 
    what are "they" willing to give up ?
    Their entire view of compromise is they ban A, B and C and not ban D, E and F, at this time.

     


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    « Reply #3 on: October 03, 2016, 01:17:24 PM »

    I'm always entertained, as others have pointed out, that one side is expected to pay all of the penalties in these 'compromises' and receive no benefits. And the anti-2A folks always seem mystified at why gun control compromises are not popular.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 03, 2016, 03:23:35 PM »
    gun control-----FU

    Lawdog's "Gun Control Cake" sums it up nicely


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    my above reaction may be a bit gutteral for the genteel folk
    Chief45 & Kaso's reply had a little more finesse
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    « Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 03:59:34 PM »
    I'm always entertained, as others have pointed out, that one side is expected to pay all of the penalties in these 'compromises' and receive no benefits. And the anti-2A folks always seem mystified at why gun control compromises are not popular.
    The reason we in the gun community are against pretty much any law, is the fact that we know what they are up to.  We see it, time after time, when they want *only* the EBRs, then *only* the high caps, then...  It never ends.  That is why there is no allowing them that inch.

    I disagree with this outright rejection of any new laws.  To be sure, I reject all that they have put forth so far, but if they want something small, that makes sense...  Earn it.  Buy it.  What are they willing to give me back in exchange?  If the law is a net positive for freedom, yet still accomplishing the thing they want to accomplish, (slim chance, as those two are nearly mutually exclusive) I am willing to listen.

    Better yet...  If the left wants a new law to address and reduce certain areas of crime relating to guns, why not let the NRA write the bill?  Give the 'desired objective' of the law to the NRA, GOA, etc., and see what they come up with.  The laws they write will doubtless be superior to those written by the clowns in congress, and they will face far less pushback because they will be written with discretion, not emotion.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 05:11:50 PM »
    Grant constitutional carry and we can start talking. Oh no? Screw you then.
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    « Reply #7 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:35 PM »
    Grant constitutional carry and we can start talking. Oh no? Screw you then.

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    Re: Cato Institute: Gun Control - Grounds for Compromise
    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2016, 01:49:13 AM »
    Unfortunately, Mr. Levy's Cato Institute is largely populated by intellectual elitists who have arrived at the collective conclusion that their poop doesn't stink.   Its believe its called "group think" these days but they are no more immune to it than the rest of us. 

    The fatal flaw in his piece is apparent from the outset.  The Constitution, in its second amendment clearly states the limitations on governmental interference with the clause; " .  .  . , the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.".   Everything he then proceeds to discuss is, by definition, an infringement.  All existing gun laws since the passage of the Bill of Rights are infringements of the right of the people to keep and bear arms.   The fact that we, the people, have been willing to suffer some of these infringements of our right to keep and bear arms in order to maintain peaceful relations with some of our countrymen cannot be overlooked in any discussion of the matter.   
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    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2016, 08:08:24 AM »
    I could type out my proposed compromise, but the mods would probably have a stroke. So I'll refrain, but feel free to use your imaginations  :coffee
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    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2016, 01:42:16 PM »
    I could type out my proposed compromise, but the mods would probably have a stroke. So I'll refrain, but feel free to use your imaginations  :coffee

    State your opinion, don't be vague and half tell us it  :panic.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2016, 03:07:06 PM »
    I could type out my proposed compromise, but the mods would probably have a stroke. So I'll refrain, but feel free to use your imaginations  :coffee

    You clearly have not met any of the mods.  :coffee
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    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2016, 04:10:55 PM »
    I could type out my proposed compromise, but the mods would probably have a stroke. So I'll refrain, but feel free to use your imaginations  :coffee

     :panic

    Na. Obviously advocating anything illegal ain't kosher by board rules. And I'm sure you'd never want to violate any of the hundreds of thousands of local, state, federal and regulatory laws on the books that you know all by heart. And would never state an intention of violating in an electronic medium. Obviously.

    As none of us would.   :coffee

    Definitely.  :neener


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